thesquishi said:
@deafeningdeputyuniversitypatrol As OP mentioned, it isn’t that all problematic content should be done away with. Some r*pe survivors use noncon stuff as a form of rehabilitation and recovery. It’s not that people mean to be transphobic or homophobic. It’s that we as rational thinking beings need to understand that something is problematic in a context and that we take it with a grain of salt.
thesquishi said:
… Example is violence against women in the bedroom. Many many different types of porn, like nonconsensual as you mentioned, objectify women to the point of being objects to toy with, and the results are definitely shown with the type or r*pe culture that exists in society. You don’t personally think this way, but maybe others do.
thesquishi said:
@deafeningdeputyuniversitypatrol A lot of your arguments are related to your personal experience. It is a train of thought that is used in many different contexts in regards to a type of discrimination. “I have never seen [insert here] before.” It does not mean it doesn’t exist. The Gay Panic defense has been used in court in cases of trans women being murdered because the other person did not know they were trans. The slur “trap” directly relates to this. Another…
deafeningdeputyuniversitypatrol said:
I think if your goal is acceptance, then less moral constraint is a better way of de-tabooing it than placing moral objections. Furthermore, I haven’t seen any reason to believe that violence against people is driven by porn. I think constructing these moral codes simply paves the way for a new religion, and I like keeping religion out of my bedroom.
monstrousdoctor said:
@deafeningdeputyuniversitypatrol I see it affect how people talk about trans people all the time, especially in terms of what it’s acceptable to call trans people in the NSFW / anime / furry community. The difference w/ your dog example is that people don’t turn into dogs in real life, but transitioning is a real actual thing that happens (which unfortunately often results in folks being treated poorly and sometimes in them being a target for physical violence).
deafeningdeputyuniversitypatrol said:
Well, it seems like there’s been a huge surge in tg artwork these days, and I have yet to see any that would be considered demeaning to trans people or influence someone to violence.
deafeningdeputyuniversitypatrol said:
Honestly, I know you’ve been told that furry or transformation fetishes are problematic more than I have. If you’re getting off to someone turning into a dog and having sex, how is it worse if you’re turning into a dog of the opposite gender? Lol, seems like you’re stressing out about the non-fat coolwhip on top of the devil’s fudge sundae.
thesquishi said:
… Is a good step to fighting the stigma against trans people, which kills people every year.
thesquishi said:
@deafeningdeputyuniversitypatrol That is the problem that is going on here. The slurs mentioned above are used to define people by their genitalia, which is demeaning and dehumanizing. At least in the United States, it is a big political debate on bathroom bills and such that only hurt trans people. Using correct terminology in this setting of transformation artwork, where a lot of transwomen specifically discover who they are because of lack of education in schools…
deafeningdeputyuniversitypatrol said:
Well, I disagree. We all have public lives, and for the majority of us, our sexual inclinations don’t (or shouldn’t) bleed out into them. When they do, it does become problematic. That’s when you get lawsuits, fired, ect. But when I go home at the end of the day and unwind, I feed on whatever deviousness I please, and as long as it’s not illegal, it is neither problematic or anyone’s business.
monstrousdoctor said:
@metabreakr Thank you, for real. In the end even though I didn’t want to speak for other people, it felt like if I have a platform (however small), then trying to say something constructive is better than saying nothing.
monstrousdoctor said:
@deafeningdeputyuniversitypatrol porn can’t “transcend moral boundaries” because it exists in the world and is consumed by people within the context of their day to day lives. You’ve gotta admit, the idea that there’s no gray area between “all porn is bad, don’t consume it” and “porn & its culture has never negatively affected anyone” is a little silly. If fetish and sex stuff is part of our identities (IMO it is) then having honest convos about it is a good goal.
deafeningdeputyuniversitypatrol said:
True, but isn’t that often the end goal of someone saying something is problematic? Porn is supposed to transcend social and moral boundaries. Lol, if I wanted someone to tell me that my sex life is problematic, I’d just go to church.
thesquishi said:
You put a lot of work into this post and asked a lot of trans people their opinions because you are cis. You articulated yourself very well and covered a lot of the gripes going on here, especially concerning terms that a lot of people have problems with. You did an incredible job and thank you very much.
monstrousdoctor said:
@deafeningdeputyuniversitypatrol I think you’re assuming that saying “this porn is problematic” is exactly the same as saying “this porn shouldn’t exist” and maybe “the person who made this porn is bad.” I’m not saying that. The context I’m using the phrase in is “Hey, we should be aware that some of the content here is playing with fire in terms of socially and morally difficult topics”. I make and enjoy a lot of porn that’s problematic, myself.
deafeningdeputyuniversitypatrol said:
I think porn is created for the sole purpose of gratification. I think it stems from social phenomenon, but to imply that certain porn is problematic or that we need to be careful about certain portrayals in porn is a case of the tail not only wagging the dog, but trying to stop the dog from wagging. One of the most popular porn themes is nonconsensual sex. Just why that is would be a discussion far beyond my understanding of the human psyche, but should we deny people?